Trump ’s refusal to accept reality and his incendiary rhetoric reached a breaking point Wednesday when loyalists violently occupied the Capitol in one of the most jarring scenes ever to unfold in the nation’s capital. Trump had encouraged his supporters to march on the Capitol to protest lawmakers’ actions, and he later appeared to excuse the violent occupation by the mob.
“These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,” Trump wrote in a message that was later deleted by Twitter. The posts came at the insistence of staff and amid mounting criticism from Republican lawmakers begging him to condemn the violence and tell his supporters to stand down, according to the official.
Even as authorities struggled to take control of Capitol Hill after protesters overwhelmed police, Trump continued to level baseless allegations of mass voter fraud and praised his loyalists as “very special.” The violence, coupled with the president’s tepid response, alarmed many in the White House and appeared to push Republicans allies to the breaking point after years of allegiance to Trump.
Stephanie Grisham, first lady Melania Trump ’s chief of staff and a former White House press secretary, submitted her resignation. Mick Juliana, Trump ’s former chief of staff-turned-special envoy to Northern Ireland told CNBC Thursday that he had called Secretary of State Mike Pompeo “to let him know I was resigning.
Trump ’s begrudging statement acknowledging defeat came after even longtime allies floated whether members of his Cabinet should invoke the 25th Amendment and remove him from office. Conversations about removal took place among administration aides and Republican lawmakers on Capitol Hill, according to people involved in the deliberations, but there did not appear to be serious discussion to do so by his Cabinet, of whom a majority would have to vote to sideline him.
Trump has been single-mindedly focused on his electoral defeat since Election Day, aides said, at the expense of the other responsibilities of his office, including the fight against the raging coronavirus. Hours earlier, Trump had appeared at a massive rally near the White House, where he continued to urge supporters to fight the election results and encouraged them to march to the Capitol in remarks that were peppered with incendiary language and rife with violent undertones.
If neither presidential candidate gets 270 Electoral College votes, the Constitution requires the House of Representatives to pick the president. The newly sworn-in House and Senate in January would pick the next president and not the current Congress.
But just because Democrats are poised to be in charge of the House of Representatives again doesn't mean Joe Biden would automatically win. According to the rules, each state delegation in the House of Representatives would get a vote.
That means California, which has the largest population of any state, would only get one vote. There are however scenarios where the Democrats would win enough seats this election to have a majority of state delegations.
Here is the full transcript of the final presidential debate between President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden, moderated by Kristen Walker in Nashville on Oct. 22, 2020. Headers have been added for ease of reading.
This debate will cover six major topics. At the beginning of each section, each candidate will have two minutes, uninterrupted, to answer my first question.
After that, both microphones will remain on, but on behalf of the voters, I'm going to ask you to please speak one at a time. More than 40,000 Americans are in the hospital tonight with COVID-19, including record numbers here in Tennessee.
Trump : So, as you know, more 2.2 million people, modeled out, were expected to die. We closed up the greatest economy in the world in order to fight this horrible disease that came from China.
You see the spikes in Europe and many other places right now. The excess mortality rate is way down, and much lower than almost any other country.
Compared to what's going on in Europe, as the New England Medical Journal said, they're starting from a very low rate. The expectation is we'll have another 200,000 Americans dead by the time, between now and the end of the year.
And so folks, I will take care of this, I will end this, I will make sure we have a plan. Walker: President Trump, I'd like to follow up with you and your comments.
Trump : It is not a guarantee but it will be by the end of the year, but I think it has a good chance. One or two companies, I think, within a matter of weeks, and it will be distributed very quickly.
And by the way, this is the same fellow who told you this is going to end by Easter last time. This the same fellow who told you that, don't worry, we're going to end this by the summer.
Trump : I don’t think it’s going to be a dark winter at all. We've learned and studied and understand the disease, which we didn't know at the beginning.
Had that had this kind of numbers, 700,000 people would be dead right now, but it was a far less lethal disease. Look, his own person who ran that for him who, as you know was his chief of staff, said ‘It was catastrophic, it was horrible, we didn't know what we were doing.’ Now he comes up, and he tells us how to do this.
Walker: Vice President Biden, your response? Biden : My responses is, he is xenophobic but not because he shut down access from China.
In addition to that, what he did, he made sure that we had 44 people that were in there, in China, trying to get to Wuhan to determine what exactly the source was. We owe him a debt of gratitude.
We can't lock ourselves up in a basement like Joe does. I don’t know, he's obviously made a lot of money, someplace, but he has this thing about living in a basement.
I'd love to put myself in the basement or in a beautiful room in the White House and go away for a year and a half until it disappears. Walker: And of course the CDC has said young people can get sick with COVID-19 and can pass it.
Vice President Biden, I want to talk broadly about strategy, though. You folks home will have an empty chair at the kitchen table this morning.
They kept it from going into the rest of China, for the most part, but they didn't keep it from coming out to the world including Europe and ourselves Walker: Vice President Biden.
I think he called me racist, even, and because I was closing it to China. Biden : I talked about his xenophobia in a different context.
It wasn't about closing the border to Chinese coming to the United States. Walker: All right, I want to talk about both of your different strategies to handling this.
Walker: OK, let's talk about your different strategies toward dealing with this. Mr. Vice President, you suggested you would support new shutdowns if scientists recommended it.
All he talks about is shutdowns No, we're not going to shut down, and we have to open our schools. Young people, I guess it’s their immune system.
Trump : I want to open the schools. The transmittal rate to the teachers is very small, but I want to open the schools.
People are losing their jobs, they're committing suicide. There's depression, alcohol, drugs at a level that nobody's ever seen before.
You need to be in a position where you can take testing rapidly and know whether a person is, in fact, infected. Walker: President Trump, let me follow up with you quickly.
These are businesses that are dying, Joe, you can't do that to people, which again, take a look at New York and what's happened to my wonderful city. Biden : Take a look what New York has done in terms of turning the curve down, in terms of the number of people dying.
They're all Americans and what we have to do is say, wear these masks, number one, make sure we get the help that the businesses need. Trump : When you say spike, take a look at what's happening in Pennsylvania, where they've had it closed.
Take a look at what's happening with your friend in Michigan, where her husband's the only one allowed to do anything. They're having spikes, and they've been closed, and they're getting killed financially.
President Trump, this week you called Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's best known infectious disease expert, “a disaster.” You described him and other medical experts as “idiots.” If you're not listening to them, who are you listening to? Trump : I'm listening to all of them, including Anthony.
Anthony also said, if you look back, exact words, here’s his exact words: ‘This is no problem, this is going to go away soon.’ So he's allowed to make mistakes, he happens to be a good person. Walker: Vice President Biden, your response, quickly, and then we're going to move on to the next section.
Walker: I’m going to give you 30 seconds to respond, and then we're going to move on. Trump : I don't know if somebody went to Wall Street.
As president and as somebody that knows most of those people, I could call the heads of Wall Street, the heads of every company in America, I would blow away every record. Because you're the one that takes the money from Wall Street, not me.
In fact, we beat Hillary Clinton with a tiny fraction of the money that she was able to get. Don’t tell me about Wall Street.
Walker: All right, gentlemen, we're going to move on. Walker: All right, we're going to move on to our next section which is national security.
And I do want to start with the security of our elections and some breaking news from overnight. Just last night, top intelligence officials confirmed again that both Russia and Iran are working to influence this election.
I made it clear that any country, no matter who it is, that interferes in American elections will pay a price. My guess is he’d probably be more outspoken with regard to the Iranians.
He's being fed information that is Russian, that is not true. I don't understand why this President is unwilling to take on Putin when he's actually paying bounties to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan, when he's engaged in activities that are trying to destabilize all of NATO.
Any country that interferes with us will, in fact, pay a price because they're affecting our sovereignty. You're going to have two minutes to respond for two elections in a row now there has been substantial interference from foreign adversaries.
You know, I've got the NATO countries to put up an extra 130 billion, going to $420 billion a year, that's to guard against Russia. There has been nobody tougher on Russia than Donald Trump.
They were paying you a lot of money, and they probably still are, but now, with what came out today, it's even worse. The emails of the kind of money that you were raking in, you and your family.
And I think you owe an explanation to the American people. Why is it, somebody just had a news conference a little while ago, who was essentially supposed to work with you and your family, but what he said was damning.
And regardless of me, I think you have to clean it up and talk to the American people. Walker: Vice President Biden, you may respond to follow up on the election security.
You have not released a single solitary year of your tax return. And your hotels and all your businesses all around the country, all around the world.
Tens of millions of dollars, I prepaid, because at some point, they think, it's an estimate. Number two, I don't make money from China, you do.
You made three and a half million dollars, Joe, and your son gave you. They even have a statement that we have to give 10% to the big man.
You son said that we have to give 10% to the big man. Walker: All right, gentlemen, I want to ask you both some questions about all of this.
You just said you spoke to your accountant about potentially releasing your taxes. A lot of people in there, deep down in the IRS, they treat me horribly.
We made a deal, it was all settled, until I decided to run for president. I get treated very badly by the IRS, very unfairly, but we had a deal all done.
Walker: I want to ask you both about questions regarding your potential foreign entanglements and questions that have been raised to give you both a chance to talk about this more broadly. Walker: Respond very quickly, and then I'll get to my question.
You’ve been saying for four years you’re going to release your taxes. When last time he said what he paid, he said, ‘I only pay that little because I'm smart.
Walker: Quickly, President Trump, and then I want to get to two questions to both of you. Trump : I was put through a phony witch hunt for three years.
Mueller and 18 angry Democrats, and FBI agents all over the place spent, $48 million. They went through everything I had, including my tax returns, and they found absolutely no collusion and nothing wrong.
With regard to Ukraine, we had this whole question about whether, because he was on the board, I later learned, of Burma, a company, that somehow I had done something wrong. Yet every single solitary person, when he was going through his impeachment, testifying under oath who worked for him, said I did my job impeccably.
Not one, single, solitary thing was out of line. Number two, the guy who got in trouble in Ukraine was this guy, trying to bribe the Ukrainian government to say something negative about me, which they would not do, and did not do, because it never, ever, ever happened.
Walker: I’m going to let the vice president respond to that quickly and then I have a question for you. You've personally promoted your properties abroad.
Trump : I have many bank accounts, and they're all listed, and they're all over the place. It was closed in 2015, I believe, and then I decided, because I was going to do, I was thinking about doing a deal in China, like millions of other people, I was thinking about it.
Biden : What I’d make China do is play by the international rules, not like he has done. We are making sure that in order to do business in China, you have to give all your intellectual property.
Number two, we're in a situation where China would have to play by the rules internationally as well. When I met with Xi, and when I was still vice president, he said ‘we're setting up air identification zones in the South China Sea, you can't fly through them.’ I said, ‘we're going to fly through them.
He embraces guys like the thugs like in North Korea, and, and, and the Chinese president and Putin and others, and he pokes his finger in the eye of all our friends, all of our allies. We need to be having the rest of our friends with us, saying to China, these are the rules.
He doesn't want to talk about the substantive issues. If you're making less than, if you're a middle class family, you're getting hurt badly right now.
Trump : Let’s get off the subject of China, let's talk around sitting the table. Walker: We're gonna talk about North Korea now.
President Trump, you've met with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un's three times. You've talked about your beautiful letters with him, you've touted the fact that there hasn't been a war or a long range missile test, and yet North Korea recently rolled out its biggest ever intercontinental ballistic missile and continues to develop its nuclear arsenal.
Trump : When I met with Barack Obama, we sat in the White House, right at the beginning had a great conversation, was supposed to be 15 minutes and it was well over an hour. In the meantime, I have a very good relationship with him, different kind of guy, but he probably thinks the same thing about me.
And you know, about two months ago, he broke into a certain area. Walker: Vice President Biden, North Korea conducted four nuclear tests under the Obama administration.
I made it clear, as a spokesperson for the administration when I went to China, they said, ‘Why are you moving your missile defense up so close? He's legitimized North Korea, he's talked about his good buddy who's a thug, a thug, and he talks about how we're better off, and they have much more capable missiles, able to reach U.S. territory, much more easily than ever did before.
Walker: Let me follow up with you, Vice President Biden, you've said you wouldn't meet with Kim Jong-un without preconditions. Biden : On the condition that he would agree that he would be drawing down his nuclear capacity to get there.
The reason he would not meet with President Obama is because President Obama said we’re gonna talk about denuclearization, we’re not going to legitimize you, we’re going to continue to put stronger and stronger sanctions on you. Walker: Let’s move on and talk about American families.
Trump : Excuse me, he left me a mess, Kristen. Walker: We need to move on so that we have time to get to all our questions tonight, President Trump.
Walker: All right, let's move on to American families and the economy. One of the issues that's most important to them is health care, as you both know.
Today, there was a key vote on a new Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, and healthcare is at the center of her confirmation fight. Over 20 million Americans get their health insurance through the Affordable Care Act.
If the supreme court does overturn that law, those 20 million Americans could lose their health insurance almost overnight. But then I made a decision, ‘Run it as well as you can’ -- to my people, great people -- ‘Run it as well as you can.’ I could have gone the other route and made everybody very unhappy.
We’ll always protect people with pre-existing -- so I'd like to terminate Obamacare, come up with a brand new beautiful health care. You'll see, but I think we're going to win the House.
But come up with a better health care, always protecting people with pre-existing conditions -- and one thing very important. We have 180 million people out there that have great private health care, far more than we're talking about with Obamacare.
Biden : What I'm going to do is pass Obamacare with a public option -- become Biden care. Public option is an option that says that if you, in fact, do not have the wherewithal to be -- if you qualify for Medicaid, and you do not have the wherewithal in your state to get Medicaid, you automatically are enrolled, providing competition for insurance companies.
Secondly, we're going to make sure we reduce the premiums and reduce drug prices by making sure that there's competition that doesn't exist now by allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices with the insurance companies. Thirdly, the idea that I want to eliminate private insurance -- the reason why I had such a fight for, with 20 candidates for the nomination, was I support private insurance.
Lastly, we're going to make sure we're in a situation that we've actually protect pre-existing -- there's no way he can protect pre-existing conditions. I guess we're going to get the pre-existing condition plan the same time we get the infrastructure plan that we waited since 17, 18, 19, 20.
The fact that -- I still have a little, a few more minutes, I know you're getting anxious -- the fact is that he’s already cost the American people because of his terrible handling of the COVID-19 virus and economic spillover. 10 million people have lost their private insurance, and he wants to take away 22 million more people who have been under Obamacare, and over 110 million people with pre-existing conditions.
And all the people from COVID-19 are going to have pre-existing conditions. He's accusing you of wanting socialized medicine.
Look, the difference between the president -- I think health care is not a privilege, it's a right. It's gotten endorsed by all the major labor unions as well as, as well as a whole range of other people who in fact, are concerned in the medical field.
And this is going to give some people an opportunity, an opportunity to have health care for their children, how many of you home are worried and rolling around in bed at night wondering what in God's name are you going to do if you get sick? We have to provide health insurance for people at an affordable rate, and that's what I do.
And he goes to Pennsylvania, and he says, ‘Oh, we're going to have fracking.’ And you never asked a question. Walker: Vice President, your response.
Biden : My response is people deserve to have affordable health care -- period. And the Biden care proposal will, in fact, provide for that affordable health care, lower premiums.
Walker: Vice President Biden, your response. And the idea that we're in a situation and want to destroy Medicare -- this is the guy that the actuary of Medicare said, ‘If in fact’ -- and, social security -- ‘If, in fact, he continues to withhold his plan to withhold the tax on Social Security, Social Security will be bankrupt by 2023, with no way to pay for it.
51:28 Walker: All right, let’s move on to the next question. 51:31 Trump : They say the stock market will rule if I'm elected.
If he's elected, the stock market will crash. 51:40 Biden : The idea that the stock market is booming is his only measure of what's happening.
Where I come from, in Scranton and Clayton, the people don't live off of the stock market. Just in the last three, three years during this crisis, the billionaires in this country made, according to the Wall Street, $700 billion more dollars.
As of tonight, more than 12 million people are out of work. And as of tonight, 8 million more homes have fallen into poverty, and more families are going hungry every day.
Trump : Because Nancy Pelosi doesn't want to approve it. But I still have to get, unfortunate -- that's one of the reasons I think we're going to take over the House, because of her.
She'd love to have some victories on a date called November 3. Biden : You know, the Republican leader in the United States Senate said he can't -- he will not pass it.
Look, they passed this act all the way back in the beginning of the summer. When I was in charge of the Recovery Act with $800 billion, I was able to get $145 billion to local communities that have to balance their budget to states that have to balance their budgets, so then they have to fire -- they have to fire firefighters, teachers, first responders, law enforcement officers, so they can keep their cities and counties running.
Trump : The bill that was passed in the House was a bailout of badly run high crime, Democrat, all run by Democrats, cities and states. But what that does, everybody all over the world will start pouring into our country.
This was a way of sending them things that had nothing to do with COVID-19, as for your question, but it was really a big bailout for badly run Democrat cities and states. Biden : All right, if I get elected, I'm not gonna -- I'm running as a proud Democrat, but I'm going to be an American president.
And folks, every single state out there finds themselves in trouble. Cops, firefighters, first responders, teachers -- because they have to balance their budget.
They allowed the federal government to deficit spend to compensate for the United States of America. Walker: I want to talk about the minimum wage, gentlemen.
They passed a package that allows us to be able to call PPP, money that’s supposed to go to help them do everything from organize how they could deal with their businesses being open safely. Schools, how they can make classrooms smaller, how they can hire more teachers, how they can put ventilation systems in.
56:35 Trump : For small businesses -- by raising the minimum wage and helping, I think it should be a state option. Trump : How are you helping small businesses, when you're forcing wages.
57:03 Walker: Well you said you would consider raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour -- Walker: You said recently you would consider raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour.
These first responders we all clap for as they come down the street, because they've allowed us to make it. Mr. President, your administration separated children from their parents at the border, at least 4000 kids, You've since reversed your zero tolerance policy, but the United States can't locate the parents of more than 500 children.
Trump : Children are brought here by coyotes and lots of bad people, cartels, and they're brought here and it’s easy to use them to get into our country. We’re over 400 miles of brand-new wall, you see the numbers, and we let people in, but they have to come in legally.
And it makes us a laughingstock and violates every judge of who we are as a nation. Trump : Kristen, they did it, we changed the policy.
And now they cannot find over 500 sets of those parents and those kids are alone. Walker: Let me ask about your immigration policy, Mr. Vice President.
It also presided over record deportations as well as family detentions at the border before changing course. And the fact is, and I’ve made it very clear, within 100 days, I'm going to send to the United States Congress a pathway to citizenship for over 11 million undocumented people.
And all those so-called Dreamers, those DACA kids, they're going to be legally certified again, to be able to stay in this country, and put on a path to citizenship. The idea that they are being sent home by this guy, and they want to do, that is they go to a country they've never seen before.
I can imagine you're five years old, your parents are taking you across the Rio Grande and it’s and it's illegal. 20,000 are first responders out there taking care of people during this crisis.
Biden : The catch and release, you know what he's talking about there? This is the first President in the history of the United States of America that anybody seeking asylum has to do it in another country.
You come to the United States and you make your case. That’s how you seek asylum, based on the following premise, why I deserve it under American law.
They're sitting in squalor on the other side of the river. Trump : We have to send ICE out and Border Patrol out to find them.
You did Perry Mason, we're going to give you a court case. Only the really -- I hate to say this -- but those with the lowest IQ, they might come back.
Walker: OK, President Trump, let’s give Vice President Biden a chance to respond, and then we're going to move on to the next section. Trump : You don’t know the law, Joe.
Walker: Vice President Biden, your response. 1:04:04 Biden : You have 525 kids not knowing where in God’s name they’re going to be and lost their parents.
Let's talk about our next section, which is race in America. And I want to talk about the way Black and Brown Americans experience race in this country.
Part of that experience is something called “the talk.” It happens regardless of class and income -- parents who feel they have no choice but to prepare their children for the chance that they could be targeted, including by the police, for no reason other than the color of their skin. Mr. Vice President, in the next two minutes, I want you to speak directly to these families.
She's got a graduate degree from the University of Pennsylvania in social work. So, one of the reasons why I ended up working on the East side of Wilmington, Delaware, which is 90 percent African American, was to learn more about what was going on.
When I didn't -- I never had to tell my daughter if she's pulled over, make sure she puts, for traffic stop, puts both hands on top of the wheel. But a Black parent, no matter how wealthy or how poor they are, has to teach their child, when you're walking down the street, don't have a hoodie on when you go across the street, making sure that you, in fact, if you get pulled over, just Yes or No sir, just hands on top of the wheel.
We have constantly been moving the needle further and further between inclusion and exclusion. We have to provide for economic opportunity, better education, better health care, better access to schooling, better access to opportunity to borrow money to start businesses.
And I've laid out a clear plan as to how to do those things. It's about accumulating the ability to have wealth, as well as it is to be free from violence.
And let me remind you of the question, I would like you to speak directly to these families. He never did a thing except in 1994, when he did such harm to the Black community.
Criminal justice reform, Obama and Joe didn't do it. But if you had to see the arms I had a twist to get that done, it was not a pretty picture.
Two weeks later, they're out saying, ‘Gee, we have to defeat him.’ Criminal justice reform, prison reform, opportunity zones with Tim Scott, a great senator from South Carolina. He came in with this incredible idea for opportunity zones.
I said, ‘You don't have to come back every year’, ‘We have to come back’, because President Obama would never give them long term funding. Ten-year, long term funding, and I give them more money than they asked for, because I said, ‘I think you need more’.
Walker: OK. And we're going to talk about both of your records, but your response to that Vice President? The fact of the matter is, in 2000 though, after the crime bill had been in the law for a while, this is the guy who said, ‘The problem with the crime bill, there's not enough people in jail.
This is a guy who when the Central Park five, five innocent Black kids, he continued to push for making sure that they got the death penalty. And secondly, we're in a situation here where we-- the federal prison system was reduced by 38,000 people under our administration.
And one of the things we should be doing is there should be no, no minimum mandatory in the law. That's why I'm offering $20 billion to states to change their state laws to eliminate minimum mandatory and set up drug courts.
Walker: All right, Vice President Biden, your response to that? Walker: Please respond, and then we’re going to have follow-up questions.
Walker: President Trump, I want to stay on the issue of race. Walker: President Trump, we’re talking about race right now and I do want to speak on the issue of race.
Biden : Look, there are 50 former National Intelligence folks who said that what this, he's accusing me of is a Russian plan. They have said that this has all the characteristics-- four-- five former heads of the CIA, both parties, say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage.
Walker: Mr. President, we're going to continue on the issue of race. Mr. President, you've described the Black Lives Matter movement as a symbol of hate.
You've shared a video of a man chanting white power to millions of your supporters. You've said that Black professional athletes exercising their first amendment rights should be fired.
What do you say to Americans who say that kind of language from a president is contributing to a climate of hate and racial strife? Trump : Well you have to understand the first time I ever heard of Black Lives Matter they were chanting ‘Pigs in a blanket’, talking about police, ‘Pigs, Pigs’, talking about our police, ‘Pigs in a blanket, fry' em like bacon’.
And that was my first glimpse of Black Lives Matter. It's a very-- it makes me sad because I am the least racist person.
Walker: OK. Vice President Biden, let me ask you, very quickly, and then I have a follow-up question for you. Here is one of the most racist presidents we've had in modern history.
He started off his campaign coming down the escalator saying he’s going to get rid of those Mexican rapists. He says to them about the ‘Poor Boys’, last time we were on stage here.
This guy has a dog whistle about as big as a fog horn. Walker: President Trump, I'm going to give you 10 seconds to respond and then have a follow-up question.
Trump : He made a reference to Abraham Lincoln. I said not since Abraham Lincoln has anybody done what I've done for the Black community.
I said, ‘Not since Abraham Lincoln has anybody done but what I've done for the Black community’. Trump : Tens of thousands of Black men, mostly, in jail.
Walker: All right, let me-- Let me ask Vice President Biden about-- Vice President Biden, let me give you a chance to respond within this context. Crime bill that you supported in the 80s and 90s contributed to the incarceration of tens of thousands of young Black men who had small amounts of drugs in their possession.
They are sons, they are brothers, they are fathers, they’re uncles whose families are still to this day, some of them, suffering the consequences. That's why I've been arguing that, in fact, we should not send anyone to jail for a pure drug offense.
That's why I set up drug courts which were never funded by republican friends. That's what I'm going to get done because they may-- the American people have now seen that in fact, it was a mistake to pass those laws where they do the drug.
Now, you're saying you're going to get it done because you're all talk and no action, Joe. We-- in fact, we’re the ones that put in the legislation saying we could look at pattern of practice of the police departments and what they were doing, how they were conducting themselves.
That's why I'm running to win back that election and change his terrible policy. I'm going to do this.’ You put tens of thousands of mostly Black young men in prison.
You know why, Joe, because you're all talk and no action. Walker: All right, Vice President Biden, and then we're going to move on to the next section.
Walker: All right, we’re going to move on to our next section which is climate change- Trump : Like I did with criminal justice reform.
Walker: Gentlemen, we’re running out of time, so we have to get on to climate change, please. President Trump, you say that environmental regulations have hurt jobs in the energy sector.
Starting with you, President Trump, you have two minutes uninterrupted. We have the best, lowest number in carbon emissions, which is a big standard that I noticed Obama goes with all the time.
And we have the best carbon emission numbers that we've had in 35 years. Under this administration, we are working so well with industry, but what we can’t do-- Look at China, how filthy it is.
The Paris Accord, I took us out because we were going to have to spend trillions of dollars, and we were treated very unfairly. Russia goes back to a low standard, and we kicked in right away.
Walker: Vice President Biden, two minutes to you uninterrupted. Biden : Climate change, climate warming, global warming is an existential threat to humanity.
And we're told by all the leading scientists in the world that we don't have much time. We're going to pass the point of no return within the next eight to 10 years.
Four years of this man eliminating all the regulations that were put in by us to clean up the climate, to clean up-- to limit the-- limit of admissions will put us in a position where we're going to be in real trouble. Here's where we have a great opportunity, I was able to get both all the environmental organizations and labor, people worried about jobs, to support my climate plan.
We're going to invest in, for example, 500,000-- 50,000, excuse me, 50,000 charging stations on our highways so that we can own the electric car market in the future. We're going to be in a position where we're going to see to it that we're going to take 4 million existing billion, buildings and 2 million existing homes and retrofit them, so they don't leak as much energy, saving hundreds of millions of barrels of oil in the process and creating a significant number of jobs.
And by the way, the whole idea of what this is all going to do, it's going to create millions of jobs and it's going to clean the environment. And we-- right now, by the way, Wall Street firm has indicated that my plan-- My plan will, in fact, create 18.6 million jobs, 7 million more than his.
This from Wall Street and I’ll create $1 trillion more in economic growth than his proposal does, not on climate just on the economy. I mean, she's got a good line of stuff, but she knows nothing about the climate.
Look, they’re real play costs $100 trillion. When he says buildings, they want to take buildings down because they want to make bigger windows into smaller windows.
As far as they're concerned, if you had no window it would be a lovely thing. Frankly, I don't even know how it can be good politically.
Walker: All right-- Okay, let me have the vice president respond, and we're running out of time, and we have a lot more questions. I don’t know where he comes up with these numbers.
This plan was-- This plan has been endorsed by every major-- every major environmental group and every labor group. And by the way, the fastest growing industry in America are--is, is, is the electric--excuse me, solar energy and wind.
He thinks wind causes cancer, windmills. It’s the fastest growing jobs, and they pay good prevailing wages, 45-50 bucks an hour.
We can grow, and we can be cleaner, if we go the route I’m proposing. Walker: President Trump -- Please respond and then I have a follow up.
It’s extremely expensive, kills all the birds, it’s very intermittent. It's got a lot of problems, and they happen to make the windmills in both Germany and China.
We're going to have the greatest economy in the world. But if you want to kill the economy, get rid of your oil industry.
Let me allow Vice President Biden to respond-- Biden : I do rule out banning fracking because the answer we need-- We need other industries to transition to get to, ultimately, a complete zero emissions by 2025.
Biden : Fracking on federal Land, I said. President Trump, people of color are much more likely to live near oil refineries and chemical plants.
In Texas there are families who worry the plants near them are making them sick. Your administration has rolled back regulations on these kinds of facilities.
Why should these families give you another four years in office? Trump : The families that we're talking about are employed heavily, and they are making a lot of money, more money than they've ever made.
If you look at the kind of numbers that we produce for Hispanic, or Black, or Asian, its nice times greater, the percentage gain than it was under-- in three years-- than it was under eight years of the two of them, to put it nicely. Now, somebody lives-- I have not heard the numbers or the statistics that you're saying-- But they're making a tremendous amount of money.
And I saved it again a number of months ago when oil was crashing because of the pandemic. We saved our oil industry and now it's very vibrant and everybody has very inexpensive gasoline.
Walker: Vice President Biden, your response, and then we're going to have a final question for both of you. Biden : My response is that those people live on what they call ‘Fence Lines’.
They live near chemical plants that, in fact, pollute. And all the more oil refineries in Marcus Hook and the Delaware River than there is anyplace, including in Houston at the time.
When my mom would get the car when their first frost to drive me to school, turned on the windshield wipers there’d be oil slick in the window. That's why so many people in my state were dying and getting cancer.
Biden : Well, if you let me finish the statement, because it has to be replaced by renewable energy over time. You won't give federal subsidies to the gas and, excuse me, to solar and wind.
Trump : Because basically what he’s saying is he’s going to destroy the oil industry. Walker: Vice President Biden, let me give you ten seconds to respond and then I have to get to the final question.
Biden : No, I’m going to rejoin the Paris Accord and get China to abide by what they agreed to Walker: This is about leadership, gentlemen, and this first question does go to you, President Trump .
Trump : We have to make our country totally successful, as it was prior to the plague coming in from China. Now we're rebuilding it, and we're doing record numbers, 11.4 million jobs in a short period of time etc.
We had the best Black unemployment numbers in the history of our country, Hispanic, women, Asian, people with diplomas, with no diplomas MIT graduates, number one in the class-- everybody had the best numbers. Your 401K's will go to hell and it'll be a very, very sad day for this country.
At the same time, we can make sure that our economy is being run, and moved, and motivated by clean energy, creating millions of new jobs. And I'm going to say, as I said at the beginning, what is on the ballot here is the character of this country.